Some might consider it unfair to compare Gohan to units like LRs.. But I don't! Cooler, linked with phy cooler on a wicked bloodline team (future esbr probably) has a defence of 124,657. I couldn't have made this post without them. Gohan suffers from two issues when we look at his attack per turn objectively. Stream Dragon Ball Dokkan Battle TEQ Transforming Ultimate Gohan OST by Cleoisbestowaifu from desktop or your mobile device This means they have inimitable value on long events such as IDBH & LGE, and when you combine that with a permanent guard, that makes Gohan very hard to beat in value indeed. Cell easily outdoes his attack per turn by well over 2mil, and has maybe 30-40k less defense on average, which, in practice, is effectively nothing - just like it is for many other units on this list. Not enough damage to matter, though. Information, guides, tips, news, fan art, questions and everything else Dokkan Battle related. So, the question immediately becomes 'Is Cooler's offensive output stronger than Gohan's defensive edge?' Thanks to u/kariru2, u/LR_AlternativeForce, & u/wipiccioni, I was able to create a great list of defensive and offensive comparisons to hold Gohan accountable to. I do think people are giving Gohan WAY too much credit. Gohan has a defence, after his first super attack of 189,842 linked with future gohan int on an hybrid saiyans esbr. I don't have 4 of those units... didn't pull on PHY Piccolo or INT Future Gohan so those two are needed, of course the new TEQ one, and the new Supreme Kai. An excellent way to consider Gohan as a unit is by his value for stacking in long content. Even normal attacks that are type advantage against him will deal quite a bit of damage. Cooler doesn't even counter at all, and by the way here are a bunch of LRs who do more damage than Cooler. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. So the issue is basically thus; Gohan's defensive value when you discount being a stacker for long events isn't that impressive when you consider the fact that his offensive value is EXTREMELY poor for his weight class. You don’t need him to transform to be good in hard hitting modes like ESRB, his base form is good enough. However.. Cooler easily doubles Gohan's offensive value in a matter of turns, crushing enemies into dust where Gohan would ping them for a sizable chunk of HP in contrast. so my take on that is as follows (also i am not the most creative when it comes to names for characters) You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. In fact, I want the opposite - I want anyone who loves Gohan to continue to unashamedly love him because it's dope when people find joy in things. not because of how well they do, but because of the things they do being different, because of their categories, their links, and so on. I mean, my 1 dupe Gohan has like 200K defense with only 1 stack, while outputting a 3 mil attack stat. Nobody will hold that against you; Gohan utterly trivializes such titans as UI Goku, SSB Gogeta & Vegito Blue in long stages by the time he reaches them, as he'll easily cut them down by having stacked ATK in the hundreds of percents, and his defense will be so completely unsurmountable that the enemy may as well forfeit. It's really very simple; The end result is that both of them will tank against any received normal attack with no effort; And Gohan's defensive value only begins to win out against Super attacks at this stage, receiving about 50k or so damage on average, whereas Cooler would receive approximately double to a little over double that; Let's say around 120k or so to be perfectly safe. So only a 65k difference, that is if you don't consider guard. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. He wrote an entire thesis just to be wrong in the end. There are a couple of reasons for this, but for now.. Let's talk about the defensive abilities Gohan DOESN'T have, that are basically invaluable for things such as ESBR - which, in my opinion, is hands down the most difficult content. This is part of a phenomenon I refer to as 'Surplus defense'. We're going to attack Gohan's most illustrious aspect first, as without this leg to stand on, I think he instantly becomes a far weaker unit in many ways. If I only made a short post saying "I do not like gohan I think he is bad and stinky!!" TEQ Jiren - comparable high defense, stuns foes, reliable access to an extremely strong active that also stuns foes and further boosts defense while having far superior dmg, AGL Caulifla & Kale - Comparable defense with much higher defensive value due to dodging; Much superior offense, STR SSJ4 Vegeta - Much higher defense even at turn 3 or later - Much higher damage even without factoring in the strength of an active skill, which will easily obliterate most foes, INT Godku - Easily crushes Gohan defensively by having a very comparable DEF after super in conjunction with a 50% dodge chance, this unit rarely receives significant damage while blowing Gohan's output completely out of the water, PHY Beerus - The defensive difference between Gohan & Beerus is miniscule after Beerus receives an attack, whereas the offensive difference between the two is comparable to the Marianas trench, STR UI - Laughably outdoes Gohan defensively after dodging a few times - and this is again ignoring the fact that this dude has a 70% chance to dodge in the first place - and again, Gohan has weaker ATK, SSBKK & SSBE - After orb collection, this guys easily break 230k plus def - And it goes without saying Gohan's DMG is miniscule comparatively, PHY Majin Buu (Gotenks) - He has gohan's turn 3 defense turn 1, he heals 12-15% per turn, easy access to an insanely busted kit, far better leader - gohan isn't even a drop of water in the ocean compared to Buu's dmg output, AGL Gohan - Stronger offensively by a mile, very comparable defensively; Although this one is somewhat ironic as I suspect many of TEQ Gohan's strongest allies also love this unit. Five turns until you can finally reach the apex of your strength is pretty problematic - Many units are doing it in only three turns, and in Frieza, Beerus, and many LR's cases - they just do it from the first turn with no worry. Access to an active skill transformation relatively early on in the fight to allow you flexibility to choose if you want to remain more defensively / supportively focused, or instead shift into a more complete "attack mode". Not only are his links generally poor for generating ATK link value, but no single partner in the game exists that activates more than 4 of his links simultaneously that has any worth being run on a main rotation; And it makes matters even worse that if you DO reach his 5 turn transformation, He'll regularly completely ruin the partner you run with him.. As his links almost completely change. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. You're right about Gohan not being the best, but you're really downplaying his turn 1 defense. His lead is infinitely better; Even after a whole year after releasing, Cooler's lead is basically incomparable to any other in the game. The ability to have defensive value that isn't only reliant on stacking defense and a guard - Primarily through dodging or damage negation. I'm simply deconstructing the notion that Gohan is the best in the game, as it's harmful - from my viewpoint - to perpetuate a stereotype that simply isn't true. Well, it's precisely because there are many units that contain at least two of these benefits, and in some scenarios, all three. Which, upon transforming, Frieza has a great chance to stun any enemy he attacks for a single turn. For Dragon Ball Z Dokkan Battle on the iOS (iPhone/iPad), a GameFAQs message board topic titled "TEQ ultimate gohan dropping on 10/04" - Page 2. Gohan takes a LONG time to get going. Simply put, when compared to the two top-tier MMC options, Gohan falters. Gohan would take around 50k, but Cooler would take no less than 200k from a type neutral super, and that's being generous. Tl;dr - Gohan defense rly good, but he has too much of it, and would like to have much more ATK to be considered a truly excellent unit. Lots of comments saying he's the best TUR show up in not so many words across many outlets in the subreddit, so, I think I'd like to challenge those claims. Many units that have a focus on access to quick and easy defensive and offensive prowess far outpace him in the short term, which makes things complicated for him, especially when many of these units do exceptionally well on long events, as well. If your a Gohan fan then yep... Got new TEQ Ult. Either way, whether you disagree with me and want to hit me over the head with a large, flat rock - please do not do that - or loved and agreed with all my points.. 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